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Hey hey, I'm sure all of you are getting used to seeing these kinds of threads and I suppose now it's my turn.

So without writing any more of stuff hardly anyone cares about, allow me to explain the current situation.

I'm looking for pc parts to build a custom pc that could run currently released games just as well as those that will be released in at least the next 4 years.
Games I play, would like to play:
The Elder Scrolls V : Skyrim*
League of Legends*
Grand Theft Auto V
The Wither 3*
Dark Souls 3
Fallout 4*
Mirror's Edge : Catalyst
Mortal Kombat X (and later)
... and a bunch of games I do not yet know but will piss my pants when I find them.

* It is really important that I could run these games with highest settings on good to awesome FPS (30+ to 60) while using 4k re-texture packs and high performance scripts (maybe?).

With that said, I've been thinking about using water cooling as I think it's effective and fairly silent (it's important that it's silent) and I'll see how the performance goes and depending on that maybe overclock accordingly (or not :P)

but then there's the downfall of everyone building a pc - the price. I'm looking to build a pc for around 1200$ (~1085 euros) but if need be the price could jump 200-400 usd (meaning that I'll drink less, eat less crisps and just generally stop spending money)

Err so ye. That's about it. I'm no expert when it comes to these parts so after a bit of time this is what I have. Please suggest anything you think would be better and explain why you think so. I've got some friends who've built their PCs for themselves and others so I'll most likely ask them too and see if I can get a balanced view about all of this PC building business.

Note that I didn't include the case but I'll probably need one too.
You can see what I "have" *HERE*
or in the image below:
IMG:https://sc-cdn.scaleengine.net/i/1597ffac51a0a118a5b42061b1add170.png


So, PC building masters, help me out here.
Your wall text posting moderator,
user Rainoth
edited 1×, last 14.07.15 01:44:59 am

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I'm not sure, if you can run The Witcher 3 at highest settings. What's with your power supply? Also the i7-processor already includes a cpu cooler. But, it's having a Intel HD Graphics 4600(integrated). If I'm not wrong, your graphic card(GTX 970) will be used if you're playing games or such things. And your shitty integrated graphic card(that's what I think about Intel graphic cards) will be activated if you're on the desktop.

(Btw: I'm not a PC building master )

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You don't need a liquid cpu cooler for 4790K unless you are going to overclock it which is not really that important because your gpu is the bottleneck here. I would buy a cheaper cpu cooler and motherboard + change GTX970 to GTX980 Ti.

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@user Pehlivan: I used the link that user polar king provided and got 10s for all 3 ratings with those specs so I guess I could run such a thing. I'm more interested in you claiming that Intel graphics cards are shitty. My family always bought pre-built computers and I don't think I'm wrong but they were all with that kind of graphic cards. Now as I've said, I'm not really good at this stuff but I would highly appreciate if you could explain why it's shitty, what's not shitty, why it's not shitty and all that sort of stuff.
I didn't think about power supply (shame on me). I'm not really sure what I should get if I'm using the parts I posted.
@user 0a: I'm no game fanatic like you (I saw your desktop ) and I watch adult content online so I don't really need a lot of space. I've been using my current PC for ~5 years (it's a laptop) and I'm using about 500GB right now so 1TB+ is perfect for me
@user polar king: I knew about that site but take Skyrim for example (I play a lot of skyrim legendary edition) - it could measure if I could play that game (and I can) but I install ~15 re-texture mods for cities, dungeons, models, lighting enhancements and my FPS drops to like 5 whenever I enter a city. I don't want that and the site couldn't accurately measure such things. I use it from time to time though, thanks for suggestion

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If your budget would be bigger i'd suggested to use this gfx card -> Sapphire Radeon R9 295X2 or Sapphire Radeon R9 390X. Also Intel Core i5-3570 would be better than your choice. But sadly.. if you really want a badass pc which will easily run the newest games in the upcoming years then wait a bit and save some more money.

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@user Pehlivan: Nvidia optimus is just for laptops and notebooks so, in desktops, the GPU is used all the time (correct me if I'm wrong).

@user Rainoth: I'd rather pick 2 970's/980's or a 295X2 (depending on your budget) for 4K at playable framerates.

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@user Rainoth: Integrated graphic cards are commonly just bad, like the Radeon 8570D etc. These grahpic cards are enough for the browser, small (flash) games or just desktop-things. They're mostly in (cheap) pre-built computers(as you've said).

Also I would suggest you to buy a (minimum) 600W power supply. I heard that 'be quiet!' should've quiet(obviously) power supply's.

@user _Yank: Now, I remember too...

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@user Pehlivan: BTW, integrated graphics aren't that bad, I have a 2nd gen i7 laptop and it uses it for most of the tasks (sometimes I even need to setup it to use the nvidia GPU instead). My web browsing performance is good (even on heavy flash stuff), I can play 1080p videos with no problems. Not to mention that you can use custom drivers that provide better performance (I do, it is IntelliModder Omega 4.0). Of course iGPUs should not be used for gaming but still (mine can handle things like minecraft, league of legends and stuff, even without the custom driver).

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Alright, after reading the replies and discussing with a couple of friends, I realised that I could save up some more money to get better stuff.

With that said, me and my friends agreed that I'd be satisfied with current processor as for graphics, I will probably pick 2 graphics cards (the same type I had chosen before)

Knowing that, I'll probably have to switch motherboard but I have no idea what to look for (compatibility with video cards, price, etc.)
user Livia also mentioned that I don't exactly need more cooling (like the one I have) unless I overclock.

The wattage of current parts averages at about 550W, add external stuff (hey, you never know) and I should probably get ~700W but there's so many brands (none of which I know) that I have no idea what's good and what's bad. Some have "+ Platinuum" "+Gold" "+Titanium" and so on as well as modular (full/semi/no). What the hell are those things? What brands are good, did anyone ever have problems when they bought such things..?

TL;DR I will probably save up more, buy better and a good balance would be "get good now, expand for awesome later" (as in RAM, cooling, SSD, various cards and accesories)

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Well I think you shouldn't care much about the motherboard if you aren't going to overclock or something, just pick one with a recent chipset that supports SLI / Crossfire (if you're going with an AMD GPU).

About the power supply, modular means that you can manage its cables and use the only you want (plug from both sides, if that makes sense). About the +Gold thingy, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/80_Plus#Efficiency_level_certifications

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What do you need this HDD for? 10k RPM when you got a silent SSD? It makes then little sense to go for water cooling.
• WD Blue 1TB - 50$ ~ 150$ savings

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_l17fg-sFg
SLI doesn't always scale well. I'd personally go for a ~$600 GPU: less power consumption, comparable performance.

No idea about other stuff. Maybe you will find cheaper RAM/CPU water cooler.

I bought myself a bequiet PSU and it's quieter than my other coolers

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Ye, I forgot to update but I spoke with friends again. Going with SLI would roughly be 10$ cheaper and give slightly higher performance than using one high-end graphics card. I thought I could buy another one in a few years and use SLI then (as well as water cooling).
So ye, I'll go with what you said heh or rather what user Livia suggested.

As for SSD, I'll probably keep a few games I'd like to run faster and well the HDD is for all the music, movies and anime and well the high rate is to make it faster obviously.
It's a good suggestion to go for lower rate and cheaper price but I'm still not sure yet...

// Here's how it looks right now:
IMG:https://sc-cdn.scaleengine.net/i/13461f2908a0f1ff0b1ed0632c7f9b1a.png

Though I'll see if I can find these parts in UK or maybe my own country at better prices.
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...and recording I guess. But I have a 400GB partition on 2 WD Blues in RAID0 and I practically can't distinguish the difference in speed when loading games either from this RAID0 partition or the SSD.
Note: This partition consists of the first 200GB of each HDD and is specifically for games and stuff which can be easily retrieved when lost.
> I'm still against a 10k RPM HDD

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I might change it but I'm not sure at this point in time. I don't have any definite comparison between such drives and as I've said, I haven't looked everywhere for prices so I don't know if I need to keep a tighter budget or not .-.

// @user 0a: Yes the price increase outdoes the performance increase but I'd rather pay more and worry less in the future. The performance is ~1.5 times better than your suggested video card and if I were to use SLI later, my performance would grow to ~3 times compared to ~2 times with 970.

TL;DR Yes I know I'm paying a lot more but IMO it's worth it in the long run.
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