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Flying Lizard has written
I think they will, first nobody would have believed the steam engine would be a great success too. In history, there are more than enough examples of technologies nobody would have guesed how important they were going to be.


However, a major issue would be trying to manage the air-traffic. If posing no other problems, just trying to handle the air-traffic can be a monumental task to undertake. Moving in the air is radically different from traveling on the highway. If we get an accident at such high altitudes, not only will the cars that took the direct impact be in danger, but also the cars around it. Since we can't just brake in mid-air, this problem can become substantial. Of course, I'm not saying that we won't find a solution for this problem but it's still impractical atm for us to use flying cars until we can at least solve this issue.

JamppaCK has written
I didn't say that we are going to die. Nobody is going to die untill the war comes.


U presented yourself in an apocalyptic perspective in which we'll be embroiled in a war... then you state that no one will die till we're at war. Conclusion, a substantial loss of life will soon occur in your perspective.

Also, can you reiterate why we're going to have a war and how does that really signal a decline in humanity since we have wars fairly frequently. It's human nature to have contrasting opinions with each other thus resulting in conflicts, I can say the same with nations

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We could use some rocket engine for flying cars which doesn't have that much power what is on fighter aircarts.
I know you are wondering why I said like thiss "until the war comes"
It is truht that almost every people don't even expect that but it comes like robber at the night.
Or should I say it would come only becouse of the nation of America and Russian are corrupted.

And don't claim that Russians are fair people. We can say in Finland that they really aren't. They have been corrupted.

Yeah leegao is right. The traffic in the air will be major issue. Then we should make common traffic rules to follow with.

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JamppaCK has written
We could use some rocket engine for flying cars which doesn't have that much power what is on fighter aircarts.

you probably mean a jet engine, since rocket planes are outdated since the 1960s
However, a jet engine can't be used for direct propulsion, the jet blast is much to dangerous, plus the engine itself doesn't solve the problems leegao mentioned, especially since common peeps in flying objects will be dangerous anyway

JamppaCK has written
I know you are wondering why I said like thiss "until the war comes"
It is truht that almost every people don't even expect that but it comes like robber at the night.
Or should I say it would come only becouse of the nation of America and Russian are corrupted.

You and your russian threat
They won't overrun finland, your aren't worth a take over, not even for norwegian oil

JamppaCK has written
And don't claim that Russians are fair people. We can say in Finland that they really aren't. They have been corrupted.

humans are always corrupt, that's why they aren't angels
I know some russians peeps, they can be pretty nice and are always eager to help,

JamppaCK has written
Yeah leegao is right. The traffic in the air will be major issue. Then we should make common traffic rules to follow with.

There are already common rules for air traffic

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JamppaCK has written
It is truht that almost every people don't even expect that but it comes like robber at the night.
Or should I say it would come only becouse of the nation of America and Russian are corrupted.


This is pretty funny, let me rebut this by giving the following response:

The united states operates under a no-first-bullet ideal, meaning, we don't strike first. Secondly, I believe the Oil field encrusted under Siberia is worth at least a million times more than the crude oil that you uphold so highly. If russia would really start a war for oil, don't you think that they would first develop their own oil fields? By the time this will happen tho, I doubt that your little oil pockets will even have anything in them.

JamppaCK has written
And don't claim that Russians are fair people. We can say in Finland that they really aren't. They have been corrupted.


My simple response would be that nations don't go to war just because they believe the Russians are not "fair" people.



Now, say if my first response was not adequate (just for the sake of debating) Why then would Russia go to war with Finland? There are around some 20 other countries I can think from the top of my head that poses more of a threat to them then Finland. The United States would be at the top. Do you really believe Russia would risk so much by invading finland? The only way that would happen is if Russia's leader is a complete moron with an unatural extreme hatred towards finland.

Also, go to Russia, randomly pick some 100 people, ask them if they even know where Finland is. I bet around only 5 or 6 people would get this question.

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The united states operates under a no-first-bullet ideal, meaning, we don't strike first.

haha, very funny. What was with Iraq? did they shoot the first bullet?

leegao has written
Secondly, I believe the Oil field encrusted under Siberia is worth at least a million times more than the crude oil that you uphold so highly. If russia would really start a war for oil, don't you think that they would first develop their own oil fields? By the time this will happen tho, I doubt that your little oil pockets will even have anything in them.

First of all: There is Oil in the North Sea Shore, and even though it isn't as much as there is in Siberia or Alaska, it is enough to help norway make a fortune with it.

leegao has written
Also, go to Russia, randomly pick some 100 people, ask them if they even know where Finland is. I bet around only 5 or 6 people would get this question.

Depends on what kind of russians you ask. The people in the good developed western parts will definitivly now where it is, since it is on of their neighbors

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Hahha.

Yeah. I did mean the jet engine. It maybe would need more contriving and thinking.

hahahha.

I think the president of Russia will be like you said leegao.

bizzl has written
Depends on what kind of russians you ask. The people in the good developed western parts will definitivly now where it is, since it is on of their neighbors

bizzl knows.

There is around 50 minus Celsius degrees frost in Siberia at the winter. And I watched a document of places in Siberia and there can be even 80 minus Celsius degrees frost in sone villages of the Siberia. It is really much with my mind. If they want to go somewhere by truck they have to warm up diesel with a torch. And there is a risk by going somewhere with the truck. That There is so much minus degrees of frost that tires could blow up becouse the tires rubber gets really fragile in that kind of minus degrees at the winter.

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haha, very funny. What was with Iraq? did they shoot the first bullet?

Technically, yes, Iraq did not fully uphold an UN Resolution which gave members of the UN the right to invade Iraq. We had a cause there, we didn't blatantly invade Iraq, and it wasn't the United States only. Does that qualify as a first-bullet action? No, we gave Iraq warnings after warnings. Of course, I'm not advocating the war, I think what resulted from UN Resolution 1441 was the biggest mistake in the US History

bizzl has written
First of all: There is Oil in the North Sea Shore, and even though it isn't as much as there is in Siberia or Alaska, it is enough to help norway make a fortune with it.

I've never rebutted by saying there's no oil in Finland, I said that they don't have enough to interest Russia, you've failed to address this part of my argument.

bizzl has written
Depends on what kind of russians you ask. The people in the good developed western parts will definitivly now where it is, since it is on of their neighbors


True, I do agree with this point, yet we're still not getting to the point of the debate. Ask them if they think there's anything in Finland worth risking a war for, ask them if they even know that there's oil in Finland. Idk what they're response will be but I'll tell you mine, when I first read this topic, I just went like, "Wait, there's oil in Finland?" This is not due to my lack of knowledge but rather due to the fact that I was never informed of such, why is that? Because it's not very worthwhile to teach a class in World Geography about possible warfare between Russia and Finland over the oil fields in the North Sea

JamppaCK has written
There is around 50 minus Celsius degrees frost in Siberia at the winter. And I watched a document of places in Siberia and there can be even 80 minus Celsius degrees frost in sone villages of the Siberia. It is really much with my mind. If they want to go somewhere by truck they have to warm up diesel with a torch. And there is a risk by going somewhere with the truck. That There is so much minus degrees of frost that tires could blow up becouse the tires rubber gets really fragile in that kind of minus degrees at the winter.


It's cold in Alaska too. People hates the cold there as well. Of course, no one travels by truck there. Guess what, there's still considerable amounts of drilling going on there. Just because it's cold doesn't mean people can't drill the oil. No one really even have to live there since the whole process is automated anyways and the refining is done elsewhere (like here in Houston xD) I don't see what your point is.

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First of all: There is Oil in the North Sea Shore, and even though it isn't as much as there is in Siberia or Alaska, it is enough to help norway make a fortune with it.

I've never rebutted by saying there's no oil in Finland, I said that they don't have enough to interest Russia, you've failed to address this part of my argument.

sure, but there is oil in finland. The oil jamppaCK is talking about is in norway

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Depends on what kind of russians you ask. The people in the good developed western parts will definitivly now where it is, since it is on of their neighbors

True, I do agree with this point, yet we're still not getting to the point of the debate. Ask them if they think there's anything in Finland worth risking a war for, ask them if they even know that there's oil in Finland. Idk what they're response will be but I'll tell you mine, when I first read this topic, I just went like, "Wait, there's oil in Finland?" This is not due to my lack of knowledge but rather due to the fact that I was never informed of such, why is that?

because there is no oil in finland?

leegao has written
Because it's not very worthwhile to teach a class in World Geography about possible warfare between Russia and Finland over the oil fields in the North Sea

... to which both doesn't have a shore.
Did they even tell you anything about Europe in your Geography lessons, despite the fact that it doesn't belong to the USA?

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We don't have oil sources in Finland. Or at least I think so.

My point was to tell about the Siberia.

I think that the Iraq did the first blood to the Word Trade Center. I show you a bit material about these towers.

http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv=k3nLbc%5F8wfM

Here is instructions to watch that video clip.
Becouse that link doesn't get overthere where it should do there shows video clip which lenght is 20 seconds.

First thing.
Watch it

And second thing.
After you have been watched that clip you get two choises. Devli or bin laden clip which lenght is 4 seconds.
And choise number two is Devil In The Towers.

Third thing is.
Choose that "Devli In The Towers" clip to watch it.


Whatch that video clip very carefully and many times. Becouse then you pay attention to really true things which shows in smoke.

What can you it is??

I can say it is the Devil. This is invisible word which many people doesn't see.
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http://urbanlegends.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv=k3nLbc%5F8wfM

Whatch that video clip very carefully and many times. Becouse then you pay attention to really true things which shows in smoke.

While I don't believe in the complete randomness of the universe (it's imho to complicated to be created by a fluke), I also don't believe in cloud pictures, no matter wether they are in water clouds, smoke or (in this case) dust coulds.
Solid-but-not-massive matter can do many weird thinks, but it doesn't fall in meaningful patterns

JamppaCK has written
I can say it is the Devil. This is invisible word which many people doesn't see.

I really don't get the sense in your sentence. How can a word be invisible?

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Did you watch that video clip Devli In The Towers?
Did you followed my instructions?

Many doesn't undrestand if they don't see with their own eyes. And many doesn't believe untiill they see it with their own eyes.

Like invisible world you dont undrestand becouse you haven't seen it. Only what you see and what we are got proved for you, you believe it. Invisible world is spirit world. There is everything what you couldn't see with your own eyes.

Don't you get it still?

You didn't believe this video just becouse of you haven't seen that with your own eyes.

Do you think that the CNN would edit pictures of news to lie for inhabitants?

How you could believe at any news articles if quys at the news would lie for the inhabitants?

Haven't you seen Word Trade Center attack on TV in your country?

It is seen at least in Finland of course.

Sorry if I seem to be tough but I don't be.

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bizzl has written
sure, but there is oil in finland. The oil jamppaCK is talking about is in norway


I'm just based my points off of what you guys said. I believe somewhere during this debate one of you talked about Russia Invading Finland and then talked about how a war will start based off of Oil, naturally, I assumed such, please clarify your arguments later on in the debate.

bizzl has written
because there is no oil in finland?


Again, see my response above.

bizzl has written
... to which both doesn't have a shore.
Did they even tell you anything about Europe in your Geography lessons, despite the fact that it doesn't belong to the USA?


Let me iterate the faulty premise you've employed here. You believe that I'm saying that Russia has a claim on the oil fields in the North Sea, no, I said they have a claim on Siberia thus there's no incentive for an invasion

secondly, You've basically ignored the part of my post where I discuss that my Geography class never told us that there's oil in Finland, as in my first response, thus, like I said, there's nothing wrong with my Geography class, it's all due to unclarified arguments employed earlier.

Thirdly, if you look at my point closely, you'll see that the major premise I'm utilizing here is that Russia doesn't have a shoreline on the North Sea, if Russia had a shore, then we wouldn't even be here debating this topic because there would then be no incentive to try to invade and occupy another country.

Now, as a counter-point against the Norwegian fields. Yes, they do have an oil field, but no, I'm still standing by what I said earlier on how that is still not a great enough incentive for Russia to go to war on.

JamppaCK has written
Like invisible world you dont undrestand becouse you haven't seen it. Only what you see and what we are got proved for you, you believe it. Invisible world is spirit world. There is everything what you couldn't see with your own eyes.


First of all, don't take the assumption that you're morally superior than everybody else, if you're not trying to be, I apologize but the tone of your post suggested that the rest of mankind is incapable of accepting any deviations from norm and that you are the one lucky person.

Secondly, we're not discussing the 9/11 conspiracy here, if you bring in my make [TGV]AK25 into this he'll love to debate it, but this is very off-topic.

Thirdly, I can find around 3 other videos that shows other kinds of images in the smoke, does it make a difference? No.

Fourth, according to you, none of the rest of us at this forum can accept what you are going to say so why then do you keep on iterating your semi-extreme views?
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First of all, don't take the assumption that you're morally superior than everybody else, if you're not trying to be, I apologize but the tone of your post suggested that the rest of mankind is incapable of accepting any deviations from norm and that you are the one lucky person.

Sorry I didn't mean that. And this is not norm about life. Things just is like this. If you belive you will be got safed. But if you don't you will be left on the earth, only one reason which is follows. You didn't believe God.
And also it is not enough just believing God, you have to give your life to Jesus. Then you have one way ticket to heaven with Jesus in one day.
Note: You don't have to believe me or what I do say.

leegao has written
we're not discussing the 9/11 conspiracy here, if you bring in my make [TGV]AK25 into this he'll love to debate it, but this is very off-topic.

This is not of topic in one way. This combines with this. This is one side of religious to believe about invisible world. If you would see invisible world as normal life on the earth, I really think you would be scared then. Everyhting we are not able to see.

leegao has written
Thirdly, I can find around 3 other videos that shows other kinds of images in the smoke, does it make a difference? No.

There is many videos and pictures about this attack. I have been seen many pictures and many videos and we are seen those in smoke on almost every pics.
Why these faces came on to smoke?
Why does it not? What is Osabin Laden? He killed around 500 or 1000 people. And you can insist it is nothing weird going on with that human?
And these pics was on the news so it is somekind of show or presentation of some Devil which is not real? It is not real for you, but for me it is as like god is real too for me.

leegao has written
Fourth, according to you, none of the rest of us at this forum can accept what you are going to say so why then do you keep on iterating your semi-extreme views?

Sorry, you don't have to accept my opinions with this. but you should think what I do say. I almost can guarantee that you will see something in future. And note!: I said almost, I don't know for sure.

Ok. What we can summary about this post. At least this that there is always some spirits which combines everyhting with someway.
Becouse you maybe know this catastrophe szunami in thailand or what place it was. At least close of Thailand. So these kind of catastrophes combines with finances. And also there were hurricane "Catrina" in America. Or whatever was it's name, at least some like that. It combines with finance too. Quarantee bills is too high for few quarantee companys and banks to pay for really really big quantity people. That's why finance goes down and everything goes more expencive than what it was before.
So I can say that where ever happens something it will makes effect for all around the earth. And there is spirist behind all this.
You don't even have to know how to make powder for figuring out all this. And note: I am NOT saying that you are bit stupid that you don't even can figure out this.
It just depends if you believe it or not.

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Mmm,A good topic filled with different kinds of English
Unfortunately I found it late.
Now,my opinion is:The place where the 3rd WW will probably take place is Taiwan.
Well,there's nothing about religion,but the political ideology(did I spell it right?). I can't explain it here cuz it has a loooonng history.
And now,however,some "taiwanese" politicians want to make Taiwan a country,and it's always been a threat to the Communist Party,which is in power now. So,some netizens believe that the Communist Party is planning an assault to get Taiwan back.
If we win,then Japs will not feel happy cuz their oil carrying ships will have to take a longer way to reach Japan. So Japanese may take part in the war.
And the Uncle Sam. His standing about the "Taiwan Problem" is always ambiguous. It is possible for him to take part in the war.
Haha,I'm worried about just because I live in a city in China which is veeerrry clooose to Taiwan.

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Soma Cruz has written
Mmm,A good topic filled with different kinds of English
Unfortunately I found it late.


Heheh.
Yeah.

I think that you did spell it right.
Okay.

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This is not of topic in one way. This combines with this. This is one side of religious to believe about invisible world. If you would see invisible world as normal life on the earth, I really think you would be scared then. Everyhting we are not able to see.


Give me the exact section in the new or old testament where it says anything about an invisible world

JamppaCK has written
There is many videos and pictures about this attack. I have been seen many pictures and many videos and we are seen those in smoke on almost every pics.
Why these faces came on to smoke?
Why does it not? What is Osabin Laden? He killed around 500 or 1000 people. And you can insist it is nothing weird going on with that human?
And these pics was on the news so it is somekind of show or presentation of some Devil which is not real? It is not real for you, but for me it is as like god is real too for me.


By your analogy, if I throw a cat up into the air and it lands on its feet, we can definitely say that Cats always land on their feet.

Now, a counter-point to your argument, do you really believe that satan would so blatantly reveal himself so carelessly? Remember, the people who "alledgedly" crashed the plane into us also believe the same God that you believe in, the God of Abraham, do you then believe what they've done is for the sake of Satan? I think not.

JamppaCK has written
Sorry, you don't have to accept my opinions with this. but you should think what I do say. I almost can guarantee that you will see something in future. And note!: I said almost, I don't know for sure.


Again, I'm a baptist and as Martin Luther once said, I seek a merciful God, not one that we fear, maybe that's where you and I differ, I'm a protestant, from what you've said, it seems that you're Catholic or Orthodox

JamppaCK has written
Ok. What we can summary about this post. At least this that there is always some spirits which combines everyhting with someway.
Becouse you maybe know this catastrophe szunami in thailand or what place it was. At least close of Thailand. So these kind of catastrophes combines with finances. And also there were hurricane "Catrina" in America. Or whatever was it's name, at least some like that. It combines with finance too. Quarantee bills is too high for few quarantee companys and banks to pay for really really big quantity people. That's why finance goes down and everything goes more expencive than what it was before.
So I can say that where ever happens something it will makes effect for all around the earth. And there is spirist behind all this.
You don't even have to know how to make powder for figuring out all this. And note: I am NOT saying that you are bit stupid that you don't even can figure out this.
It just depends if you believe it or not.


Actually, if you just look at the data, these costs are only minimally reflected in the consumer world. For example, the price of Chicken before Huricane Katrina and the price of Chicken after Huricane Katrina barely changed... Now, take beef next. The price of beef after Katrina was well, cheaper, this is however not due to Huricane Katrina at all. If you do look at all of the sales data you'll see that the effects of Huricane Katrina is only marginal to the economy, for the exception of those industries that were damaged b/c they were located in New Orleans. So my conclusion is that the world economy is only negligibly effected by disasters. There are volcanic eruptions every day in the world, yet the world stock market don't crash every day. What your example is then based off of is a fallacy.
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Mmm,A good topic filled with different kinds of English
Unfortunately I found it late.
Now,my opinion is:The place where the 3rd WW will probably take place is Taiwan.


I totally agree. Here's one of the major problems atm. The United States agrees to recognize both the mainland, and Taiwan as Nations. However we also agreed to recognize only one China. It's pretty tense over there.

And another hot zone, Pakistan vs India, both Nuclear Powers, both hates each others guts, both about to blow any second.

In my opinion, I really don't believe that Finland will be the cause of the destruction of earth... or even any wars.

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Now,my opinion is:The place where the 3rd WW will probably take place is Taiwan.
well not definitley, right now its at the position where everyone is currently aimed at the middle east, the jews- the US- since the "Terroist" attack of 9/11- if you would like to bring up the conspiracy i have a lot to tell you but if not forget it. there is goin to be a WW3 soon as it builds up

g2g school

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well not definitley, right now its at the position where everyone is currently aimed at the middle east, the jews- the US- since the "Terroist" attack of 9/11- if you would like to bring up the conspiracy i have a lot to tell you but if not forget it. there is goin to be a WW3 soon as it builds up


see, what did I say
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